tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post1552090952129168930..comments2023-10-28T05:20:11.357-05:00Comments on Bob Barbanes: Atheists Trying To Spoil ChristmasBob Barbanes:http://www.blogger.com/profile/12344068760904928223noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-67445859833121161472008-12-14T17:49:00.000-06:002008-12-14T17:49:00.000-06:00Hi all and Bob Barbanes,Bob Allen responding to yo...Hi all and Bob Barbanes,<BR/><BR/>Bob Allen responding to your last comment.<BR/><BR/>I only cited the Supreme Court ruling in response to your earlier assertion of “….show me where it says in the Constitution or any other Federal document.” I believe that a Supreme Court ruling would serve as an “other Federal document” – thus nullifying your earlier assertion.<BR/><BR/>Since you also assert Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10080840949961243736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-88778160972550316372008-12-14T16:12:00.000-06:002008-12-14T16:12:00.000-06:00Mr. Allen, I think you know better than to cite Su...Mr. Allen, I think you know better than to cite Supreme Court rulings on anything. Interpretations of various laws do not always stand the test of time. They are subject to the prejudices and biases of the justices who serve. And they can change.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, it matters not one teeny little bit what Jefferson wrote in any letters to any congregations - you know that. Jefferson may Bob Barbanes:https://www.blogger.com/profile/12344068760904928223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-18465689823673120052008-12-14T13:08:00.000-06:002008-12-14T13:08:00.000-06:00Hi all and Bob Barbanes,This is Bob Allen respondi...Hi all and Bob Barbanes,<BR/><BR/>This is Bob Allen responding to your comments on my comments. I agree that the various Bobs need to identify themselves within the comment area.<BR/><BR/>If you would take a moment to visit the www.assertiveatheistmoments.com (AAM) Website and go to the WWJD – What Would Jefferson Do ? section, you will notice this sentence:<BR/>“Yet the Danbury and Cheshire Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10080840949961243736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-91163751755564687152008-12-14T09:31:00.000-06:002008-12-14T09:31:00.000-06:00First of all, we've got way too many Bob's posting...First of all, we've got way too many Bob's posting here. I'd appreciate it if any Bob other than me would make his individuality known in some way so people don't think it's me posting replies to my own posts.<BR/><BR/>With that out of the way, I'm not sure that I agree at all with "Bob's" assertion. The Constitution *only* says (paraphrasing here - the actual quote is up in the post) that the Bob Barbanes:https://www.blogger.com/profile/12344068760904928223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-88226798497878258472008-12-14T08:03:00.000-06:002008-12-14T08:03:00.000-06:00Howdy folk,As far as the wording of the Constituti...Howdy folk,<BR/><BR/>As far as the wording of the Constitution goes – freedom “of” religion is correct – however, the deeper meaning of freedom “from” religion is what really counts. <BR/><BR/>I’m sure that each religion appreciates being free FROM the encroachment of other religions upon their personal practices. Baptists and Methodists, etc. appreciate protection FROM having their tithing Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10080840949961243736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-53003035636890230492008-12-11T20:58:00.000-06:002008-12-11T20:58:00.000-06:00What you have to understand is where the problem w...What you have to understand is where the problem with the nativity scene comes from. No one is stupid enough to think a statue of a baby is a message of hate. It is a symbol of religious faith, and to certain people it is a negative symbol. Think of the confederate flag. There's nothing negative about it by itself. It's knowing the history behind it that makes it negative. Same goes for any Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17394943268796020111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-86770521959279079692008-12-06T22:44:00.000-06:002008-12-06T22:44:00.000-06:00Understood, Michael. Thanks. I am sure the member...Understood, Michael. Thanks. I am sure the members in the class you have taught have greatly benefitted. I am sure you have, for now, however, made the right decision and one that is for the greater good. May I encourage you, though, to keep speaking up as the opportunity presents itself. <BR/><BR/>Grace and Peace and thanks to our good friend Bob B. for letting us take up a little space on Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15978016568840318921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-64710661159750175672008-12-06T18:36:00.000-06:002008-12-06T18:36:00.000-06:00Bob (non-Barbanes),To answer your question, yes, I...Bob (non-Barbanes),<BR/><BR/>To answer your question, yes, I have taught bible classes on a weekly basis for the past six months at my church, and they have been well received. But during that time I've been very careful not to say things that would rock their views <I>too</I> much, and the discussion format of the class helps since I don't have to present 40 minutes of "material". <BR/><BR/>A Redleftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04834798382800790723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-83168773182691314342008-12-06T17:44:00.000-06:002008-12-06T17:44:00.000-06:00Wow, Rodolfo, this must be a first, a response fro...Wow, Rodolfo, this must be a first, a response from you that I have no major quarrel with. You post some interesting asides to my statements, but that is all they are: elaborations but not contradictions. The fact that T.J. wrote some stuff in a letter is irrelevant; it is what made it into the Constitution that counts. Everything else is just an opinion, including Jefferson's "wall of Bob Barbanes:https://www.blogger.com/profile/12344068760904928223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-75932173658641724962008-12-06T13:13:00.000-06:002008-12-06T13:13:00.000-06:00You wrote: No mention of "separation of church an...You wrote: No mention of "separation of church and state." In fact, nowhere else in our Constitution or Bill of Rights (Amendments) is that phrase uttered.<BR/><BR/>The phrase “wall between…” was written by Thomas Jefferson to some minister. He was merely quantifying that the 1st Amendment is in fact absolute. <BR/><BR/>You wrote: We may not be a "Christian nation" but we are one that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-51303696005183965922008-12-06T12:40:00.000-06:002008-12-06T12:40:00.000-06:00OK Michael, I'm with you on the various religions ...OK Michael, I'm with you on the various religions being represented but the political correctness thing just gets to me after a while. But you are right, respect should be mutual. <BR/><BR/>More importantly, please tell us why you would not want to preach? It seems from things you have written on your blog that you have spoken in some classes and have benn well received? Why the hesitation to Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15978016568840318921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-29058939878457022062008-12-06T12:25:00.000-06:002008-12-06T12:25:00.000-06:00Sorry, in the first paragraph I meant "Bob", not "...Sorry, in the first paragraph I meant "Bob", not "Hal". Too many Bobs around here!Redleftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04834798382800790723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-25437507983736059442008-12-06T12:24:00.000-06:002008-12-06T12:24:00.000-06:00If someone is threatened by the poster about winte...If someone is threatened by the poster about winter solstice, I'd say the same as what Hal said.<BR/><BR/>I'd hope that Christians can be universal in our principles. If a nativity scene has a right to be in the legislative building without being defiled or stolen, then an atheist poster, Muslim prayer mat or Buddhist statue deserves the same respect, in my opinion. The principles of liberty Redleftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04834798382800790723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27295521.post-87614608592415071262008-12-06T08:31:00.000-06:002008-12-06T08:31:00.000-06:00Well said. Ben Stein, a Jew, wrote a great piece a...Well said. Ben Stein, a Jew, wrote a great piece a couple of years ago about all the silliness over saying "Merry Christmas." Though he doesn't observe the holiday, he has always has a warm feeling when someone conveys the sentiment to him. Likewise, I am graciously appreciative when wished "Seasons Greetings," "Happy Holidays" or "Happy Hannukah." <BR/><BR/>Don't you know the founding fathersBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15978016568840318921noreply@blogger.com